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Wednesday, June 03, 2009

Away Y'all Go


I'm not sure if anyone actually saw the movie Run, Fat Boy, Run*. It came out last year and was directed by David Schwimmer. Simon Pegg stars as a man who left his pregnant fiancee (played by Thandie Newton) at the altar. Some time later, she has taken up with a wealthy man (Hank Azaria) and her baby's father decides he wants her back.


Rashida Jones (daughter of Quincy), who notably played Jim's other love interest on The Office, had a role last year as the wife-to-be in I Love You, Man. She's played the girlfriend/wife opposite a White actor in a number of films and TV shows. (Yes, now you see where I am going.)


Zoe Saldana, who played Ashton Kutcher's girlfriend in Guess Who, may have landed her breakout role with the recent hit Star Trek remake. She has a romantic relationship with young Spock this time around.

There is a new film opening soon called Away, We Go starring Maya Rudolph and John Kransinski:

The two play a couple expecting their first baby and travelling the US looking for the best place to raise the little quad...just kidding...little one. It looks like an adorable flick.

It seems like Hollywood is getting mighty comfortable with the casting of Black actresses opposite White males. In most of these films, however, the race of the woman is not discussed. And like most Black actors in non-Black films, the women come unencumbered by Black friends or family members.

All of the women I named are of mixed parentage (all have one Black and one White parent, with the exception of Zoe Saldana. She describes herself as "Dominican, Lebanese, Irish, Indian and Jamaican"). With the exception of Saldana, they are also...how do I put this....light enough not to be so "noticeably Black" (unless you are race obsessed like me, who is like "OH SHIT, SHE'S A SISTER!"). Almost light enough to "pass".

Is this simply "color-blind casting" or are biracial Black girls now as hot in the White boy streets as they are in Negronia? Is the lack of mention of race in these films because the girls are so light and surrounded by White friends, so it hardly seems like they are Black at all? (EXCEPT THAT FOR THEY ARE!!!!)My guess is that these actresses were auditioned against White women and NOT casted in roles that were written for Black girls (minus Star Trek and Guess Who, both played by a mixed woman who is relatively brownner skinned). Would a darker-skinned Black girl have a crack at being Jim's boo on The Office or playing the wife in the season's big "Bromance".

All these girls are mixed and I've never seen them play roles where they were embodying Black female stereotypes or being exoticized. So I don't have any real criticism for them as actresses for taking these roles**. I DO find it curious that I have only seen Rashida Jones play opposite (and date) White men, but then again, I never saw her father with a Black woman either. I suppose that these girls may be more likely in real life to mate with non-Blacks giving their own backgrounds, so perhaps they make more sense in the role than would a more ethnically obvious Black woman? But if they are the only Black person in the film, I just can't help but to feel like they are kinda sorta...passing. Also, in most of these flicks, the woman is a supporting character. These aren't particularly meaty roles, but the same "pretty girlfriend/wife" types a lot of White actresses get. Not particularly a sign of progress for the race or the gender.

Speaking of, Phylicia Rashad is currently on Broadway as the matriarch in August: Osage County. Rashad plays a drug addicted, racist older woman of an Oaklahoma family grappling with incest, suicide, pedophilia and a host of other serious issues. Phylicia was cast "color-blind", but everyone else is White. It's peculiar to say the least. And while I am sure her stellar acting is enough to make you believe any role she portrays, I am not sure this is a a "win" for Black actresses, so much as it is tokenism and a ploy to lure in audiences. As Sir Fabulous Himself pointed out, why didn't they add a Black or mixed race person to play one of the children? Or cast folks of all races?

I'm not sure how I feel about Hollywood's new found (or perhaps revitalized***) comfort with paring Black women with White men, especially considering how infrequently we see quirky, cute, thoughtful films about Black women and Black men. I don't necessarily see interracial couples on screen as some great sign of progression. As someone very smartly commented on Jez, we needed worry about normalizing interracial couples until we have normalized Black ones. Why? Because that's the partnership that MOST Black people will find themselves in. In fact, with the exception of Japanese-American women, MOST Americans will marry a person of their own race.

Dropping one Black/mixed woman in a film doesn't really do much for me in terms of seeing progress in Hollywood. I don't feel that every film depicting a mixed couple has to involve a long, hackneyed discussion of the interracial dating "issue", but it just seems rather unrealistic that these ladies wouldn't have at least one Black parent, a sibling, a friend...someone else who looked like them who figured prominently in their lives. Or are these the film embodiment of the race-abandoning folks who choose to live in spaces with limited to no interaction with other Black people?

Black men are rarely portrayed in tender, loving relationships in films. Most of our movies are made by Tyler Perry these days, it seems. And you usually have to sift through the shucking and jiving to see anything positive or realistic in his tripe. I know for damn, diddly damn sure I am not rooting for this trend to extend to Black men. Not until we can get some serious dramas and romantic comedies and thrillers starring Black men and women opposite each other. And neither of them can be Beyonce.

It seems that the attitude is that a Black couple in the lead makes a film a "Black film" and thus, uninteresting to the rest of the world beyond Negronia. Which is weird, as there are more Black male superstar/certified box office gold actors than there are women. Are you telling me that had I Love You, Man starred Will Smith opposite Jason Seigel, people wouldn't have been interested? What about the story of a quirky Black couple traveling the country looking for a place to make a home? Too race-y?

The same way I am annoyed that MOST Black lead girls are light and MOST Black male leads are dark and MOST lead actresses of any film are thin and MOST female love interests are somewhat predictable and vanilla and MOST big budget Black films suck, I wouldn't complain if we saw more variety. You won't hear a peep from about seeing interracial couples in films when we start seeing more Black couples as well, and outside of the three-ring circus of Perryland and the non-actors garage that is Mrs. Knowles-Carter.

What are your thoughts?


*Interestingly, comedian Michael Ian Black of Vh1 fame was a writer on the film. I unfollowed him on Twitter yesterday for saying he made a barista uncomfortable by asking "Can a nigga get some Sweet and Low?" Wowzers.

**Someone could argue against that. I know I have a biracial parent who would have NO problem listing his complaints about these actresses choosing some of these roles. But I am not stepping into that arena.

***Halle Berry, Angela Basset, Whoopi Goldberg, Rae Dawn Chong and a number of other Black women have played opposite White men. Chong and Berry both had streaks where they didn't seem to have any Black leading men at all. My father despises both these women.

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tigger500 said...

I hear you.

I think it represents a kind of progress. I wouldn't say it's all good or all bad. I do think we need to understand how its en vogue for black actors to play deracinated characters onscreen. Shit, Will Smith has made a career of it until recently. This basically means that he only thing "black" about the role is the actor in it.

Particularly with Maya and Rashida, one could arguably say they are playing white characters(in a cultural sense). Because by having no cultural signifiers at all, one is led to believe the characters are white (as whiteness is both everything and nothing). In that way, there isn't really any interracial dating per se.

For me, the loss of any baggage an actor gets by not having to play "black" in all the conventional ways doesn't alleviate the fact that in these film contexts there is an very clear, very disturbing exoticization AND a erasure of blackness that reinscribes otherness in much more subtle and (arguably) insidious ways.

and1grad said...

Honestly, I'm glad to see them in these roles that could be breakout roles for them. If brown women are the new trend, I say GREAT. Not too concerned with whether their leading man is black nor with the idea of "passing."

That said, its a lot easier to avoid the race issue if the actor/actress (in the interracial relationship) is light. I dont have a problem with that. Its still an uncomfortable issue for many. I dont know that its the box office that deems a movie starring a black couple as a "black movie" as much as society deems it so. White folks arent THAT interested in a movie where they dont feel like they can relate and lets face it, they make up the bulk of your viewing audience. IMO, society isnt as integrated as we like to think it is.

So if being in interracial relationships on film is a means of getting more exposure for these black actresses, so be it. Maybe they can become box office gold like the Julia Roberts of the world. Beyonce included. lol

babsinblogland said...

Run Fatboy Run was a great movie.

I don't have a problem with these castings. Perhaps it is because the women in question are already biracial, so what's the problem if they are attracted/married to/dating white men. It's half of who they are.

I have a bigger problem when black male actors are paired with whites, hispanics, asians, anything BUT a black woman.

genius khan said...

i second and1grad and raise you a conspiracy theorists ftw. hugs an kisses sister toldya for the stimulating argument or just because.

g.khan

Tezeta said...

I don't know if I would call it passing. In and of itself it doesn't necessarily raise my blood pressure. Aside from seeing a another black actor in any of these films what would constitute and accurate or consumate representation of black culture?

While I agree that race is a constant underlying and overt factor in most people's day to day interactions, there are those who racially mixed or not do not have blatant ties to the black community through immediately recognizable hallmarks. Maybe we are equating "whiteness" with a shift from obvious or obtuse black culture to something else that is more mainstream?

Sister Toldja said...

Tezeta- I didn't say it didn't represent Black culture. Black culture is not a monolith. However, it's interesting how films utilize token characters of a minority group and they never have any ties to other members of their group. Would it have been too much to say, show the woman's Black and White parent?

Hostess said...

Ha. You know most white people don't know Rashida or Maya are black?

I predicts by the end of the next decade, the pairings will be with OBVIOUSLY Black women and white men. And it won't be the first time. Lest we forget the couple on The Jeffersons. She was obviously Black.

I think we'll also see more Black women opening themselves up to the possibility that a non-Black man might be an option. Trust, if we see it on the screen long enough, it's normalized. The the stats for Black women marrying will go up. Once that happens, we will end up with teams of beige people all over America. Melting pot, indeed.

Hostess said...

Ha. You know most white people don't know Rashida or Maya are black?

I predicts by the end of the next decade, the pairings will be with OBVIOUSLY Black women and white men. And it won't be the first time. Lest we forget the couple on The Jeffersons. She was obviously Black.

I think we'll also see more Black women opening themselves up to the possibility that a non-Black man might be an option. Trust, if we see it on the screen long enough, it's normalized. The the stats for Black women marrying will go up. Once that happens, we will end up with teams of beige people all over America. Melting pot, indeed.

Lite Bread said...

Ms. Toldja,
I kind of laughed at the ‘unencumbered by black friends or family’ comment. LOL. Like they just dropped out of space with no background whatsoever, right? I know just what you mean.

I sure you meant that sarcastically, because no-one’s family (or at least the ones they like, lol) or friends are cumbersome burdens to endure. They are part of that person’s life experiences. If you can’t handle that external part of their life, you can’t deal with the situation then.

I end up taking a much steeper level of cynicism about the film industry and this matter. They are mostly just “attention whores” (learnt that one from my teenagers I did, lol), looking for something slightly “Controversial”, but absolutely staying the heck away from anything having substance, never presenting anything close to real-life experience.
That sure proves true with this latest fascination with the white male/black female love interest. It’s done to be “shocking”, but not too much so (can’t upset the audience ya know, losing money or something). There is no social relevance, nothing approaching legitimate treatment of that situation, nothing. Heck, I’m old enough to remember the “Bodyguard” and you’d have never guessed that there was anything even slightly different about Whitney and Kev hookin’ up. They’ve practiced this to an art form (bad pun intended).

Nice touch on the topic!

BoSoxQT said...

Hmm, not much to add. There were a lot of head nodding moments for me in your post, as this is a topic that hits home a bit for me. The overall deal I suppose is who defines your blackness? My personal feelings are that everything defines your blackness, even though your blackness isn't everything you are. So yes, family (be they black or not), friends, partners, all make their way in there, and they all co-exist (not necessarily peacefully). So not showing that is cheating the audience of the entirety of the character. But hey, maybe that's the point. Making the colored folk one dimensional but saying "but we gave you a big role" For instance, that doesn't fly for me as someone who loved TOS Uhura. And, I actually love the idea of she and Spock. But, I demand better for her as a character. She is an individual separate of what the men on that ship think of her (but that's another thought entirely I suppose). Maybe they think they can only sell her with Kirk and Spock's seal of approval. Which, is ridiculous but seemingly the norm. Which I think is your point.

But I do agree, that showing healthy BLACK love (not easy, not unreal, but healthy. There is a difference) is imperative to all pairings of different races. I'm sorry, if we're talking interracial pairings with just BW/WM (that's the topic we're on) then at some point, that woman was exposed to black love in some form. Most likely it was her parents, but if not, it was one set of grandparents, aunt/uncle, cousins, etc. And no matter how it affected her, it AFFECTED her. Black folk don't pop out of thin air (as someone already said). We are made just like everyone else, and we have families and friends and life experiences with folks who look like us all the same. You can't not (now I spitting double negatives. Lord) be affected by your blackness, even if it's simply that you feel you don't have to be defined by your blackness. These couples do not live in a bubble, so stop putting them in one. I'm not saying we have to hash out the entire history of blacks in America with our white partners. But them KNOWING your black and loving your blackness (and not in a fetish type of way *shivers*) matters. And if it doesn't matter to you that it doesn't matter to them, then I'm probably not going to buy you all lasting and you being the one he'll go to bat for. That's why I'll at least give Guess Who props for saying something and for showing a black couple who actually loved one another (I won't touch the complexion issue right now).

All that say, interracial love is still BLACK love if there is a black person in that relationship. And black love in some form is why they even exist to be in that relationship. So while I applaud the progress of being able to show these type of relationships, there is still more progress to come. Race is not the type of thing a few black actresses in mostly comedy roles can cover up. It's much too complex for that. So while it's a start, it's nowhere near finished as far as the telling of all of our stories in the realist way possible.

Oh, and please, for the love of God, stop giving Beyonce any roles. Black love or not, that mess sets us back in Hollywood. And we're already on the grass stretching while everyone else is running the race on the track.

Miss said...

You'll notice that in Who's Who, which (sort of) deals w/ the race of female lead, Saldana is darker than she is in any of her other roles. Even in ads. Racial ambiguity is here to stay. Colorblindness is some bullshit because while Hollywood may be trying to pretend to be colorblind, they are NOT blind to culture. Did you know that the Latina actress on Desperate Housewives got her part because another actress had too much of a "Puerto Rican" accent. What the fuck? The producer said that he wanted the neighborhood to be the "same," no one "different," all "American." This is the screwed up thinking that controls casting agents in Hollywood.

Miss said...

Not to mention the bullshit that has little buppies with Obama stickers talking about transcendence of race. No, sir, what you mean is everybody just needs to assimilate to American whiteness and we may forgive you for having brown skin. As part of our forgiveness, we will exoticize your skin to the point of fetishism and we will lick it on national television to show that we really don't mind eating the other.

Unon said...

It's not progress for blacks, but it makes white people feel like they're making progress. 'Nonthreatening' mixed girls are okay w/o white audiences waiting for the scene where the 'regla' black girl 'goes off' and lets her white boyfriend 'have it'.

In all honesty, this convo could go on forever, because hollywood has no obligation to show us the way we'd like to be seen. It's not going to change until black people are financing the entire process, and if Oprah hasn't done it by now, then good luck to us.

Autumn said...

I took a look at the film's website and Carmen Ejogo plays the sister and only living relative of Maya's character.

la said...

"I think we'll also see more black women opening themselves up to the possibility that a non-black man might be an option. Trust, if we see it on the screen long enough, it's normalized." Hostess

Ding ding ding ding ding!!! We have a winner, people!

This is what Hollywood--heck, mainstream society in general--wants to happen. I mean really, why wouldn't you pair a black woman up with a black man? That relationship makes the most sense. It's how it "should" be, but Hollywood is trying to push this alternative image off as the standard so that it DOES become normalized.

The bottom line is *most* white people are intimidated by blacks, period. To have a loving black couple on screen goes against everything they've ever been taught/believe about black people. It's why the Obamas are such an anomaly--not only in white households but black ones too. Successful married black couples are the exception, not the rule. And Hollywood surely isn't going to make it the rule.

The responses to this post say a lot, too. Most people aren't phased by BW/WM pairings. It's safe. Non-threatening. There are a host of reasons why that I won't get into, lest I'll be here all day haha. I don't believe that these roles will pave the way for BW/BM pairings. I mean it's 2009 for goodness sakes. We haven't had enough healthy representations on screen to warrant all these interracial pairings. Hollywood recycles the same stereotypes over and over again. This is just its newest one.

Lauren said...

I think that this basically reflects a rising trend in the United States (and Europe for that matter) where many upwardly mobile black women are taking stock of their options for life partners. As the nummber of marriagble black men decreases many black women are waking up and smelling the coffee. While they may be lucky enough to find a black man who brings as much to the table spiritually, mentally, physically, financially, and emotionally as they can, many see themselves as being forced to make a choice: (1) Marry a black man who they do not feel is their equal, (2) Expand their options by including non-black men in their dating pool, and (3) Being single by force, not by choice, because they waited for a black man who was not coming.

I have seen beautiful, intelligent, motivated black women dating ex-convicts out of desperation. I know some may say ex-cons need love too. I suppose they do. However, maybe they should date and marry black women who also have criminal records.

I'd rather see black women with a quality man of any race, than end up with a black man who only offers a good footrub and some good loving.

Also, I wonder how anchoring these black characters to black family and friends might have played out. Maybe these family members or friends would have protested the interracial relationsip. Or maybe they would have been fine with the interracial pairing. I think that as more and more black women grow up in suburbia these patterns will become increasingly normalized. Many of these people are in a sense de-racialized. So what we see play out on the screen is normal for plently of black women and girls.

What would you have wanted to see Toldja? Did you just want more elaboration on their backgrounds? Do you think that would change the plot? I'm just curious.

As a final note, I see BW/WM couples everywhere these days. I am from VA, have family in DC/MD, frequently visit NYC, and currently live in TX. I think this represents a positive move for black women in that they are making their own choices about their life partners, unbeholden by the powers that say black women should only be with black men. I think the idea that most black women will be with black men is a bit inaccurate. I think that most black women and men will have sex with each other, but we all know that marriage rates are down in the black community.

la said...

"...unbeholden by the powers that say black women should only be with black men."

@Lauren:

Which "powers" are sending this message? And you say it's a positive move for black women. So is being with a black man a negative move for black women?

Arlener said...

Anybody else miss 1999, you know when we thought black people were goings somewhere as far as movies go? "The Best Man" "The Brothers" "The Wood"....yeah they were all the same damn movie, but they all let us know that black men and women can have healthy relationships, and parents and shit...Hell the ninetys period "Menace II Society" "Boyz N The Hood".... Now it seems that an all black cast either means high coonery alert or lack of actual blackness altogether (ie noone else that even resembles them anywhere around).... it hurts my heart..... Can I please see something on someones screen that reflects reality

Lauren said...

Part I:

The powers that are sending this message are often others in the black community. These are people who try to limit the choices of black women. They often teach: (1) Only a black man can really love a black woman, (2) No other race of men finds black women attractive, and (3) If non-black men say they find you attractive it is only because of a fetish.

All three of these things assume an unqualified race-based solidarity in which all white men are evil and if a black man has problems, its because the white man is evil. White people have many problems. The historical record has shown this. However, we must not act as if black men are innocent and do not harm black women on a daily basis. We must not assume that every black man has black women's best interests at heart. I would argue that while racism and white privilege affect the lives of black men and women, the violence exhibited by black men towards black women touches our lives in a much more intimate fashion. Often black women come into contact with black men on a much more regular basis than white men. Therefore, black men actually have a much greater chance of doing damage. Check the rates of domestic violence and rape perpetrated against black women by black men.

Basically, I choose not to give black men a pass just because white men may be guilty. My standpoint is: "Yes, historically white men have been guilty of much. However, black men's hands are not clean." Often black women are told, "White men raped you! They beat you! Sold away your children! How could you look at one?" The way this is posed does not lead black women to think about what black men have done. Black men have done much of the same. Just because they are black does not mean black women should absolve them (i.e. R. Kelly).

I wish more black women would think critically about gender issues in the black community. I personally believe this thinking is stifiled by those who choose to focus only on race or blackness. This often really means a focus on men. Think of the book "All the Blacks Were Men." I was reading a wonderful blog a while ago and the author stated that black women are necessary but secondary. We are needed in the fight, but our needs come second and our voices are often silenced. I refuse to accept this any longer. I will stand up for black women who broaden their dating pool because of a dearth of black men in order to be happy.

I do not think that being with a black man is necessarily negative for a black woman. As long as these individuals enter into their relationship voluntarirly and the relationship is healthy. My mom and dad are black and have been married for 28 years. They have provided a wonderful example for me and my two younger sisters.

As I stated in my previous post: "I think this represents a positive move for black women in that they are making their own choices about their life partners, unbeholden by the powers that say black women should only be with black men." Nowhere do I say being with a black man is defined as negative. I want everyone to understand that what I define as positive is CHOICE.

Lauren said...

Part II:

White men are not saviors. They have problems too. A jerk is a jerk regardless of race. Black men can be wonderful. A great man is a great man. Period. Stop.

Again, what I am referring to as a positive is the freedom of CHOICE. Many black women are conditioned to believed they do not have a choice. In not having a choice many, but not all, will end up single and bitter. Or with children and no husbamd, when that is not what they wanted in life. If a black man won't take you, then as a black woman you are doomed to a life of unhappy spinsterhood. Again, I reject this.

Many black women want to get married, have children, and build solid and enriching futures with their partners. I support this if that is what makes them happy. If this is REALLY what they want in their hearts.

I think the bigger question is: For all those who do not think black women should date non-black men, how will you deal with the anger and unhappiness of black women who can not find partners because of this limitation? Is it fair to condemn them to a life they did not want because there are not enough marriageable black men to go around?

(Side note: While prison incarceration, conviction rates, homosexuality, etc. keep many black men out of the marriage pool for many black women I think it is also critical that we consider this: Some black men simply do not want to get married or enter into exclusive relationships. This is their choice and I do not begrudge them. However, this does not help black women get married.)

I am a Ph.D. candidate with black female friends in med school, law school, and M.A. and Ph.D. programs. Many point out the unfavorable ratios in regards to black women and men. At my university the ratio of black female grads to male grads is 2:1. How do we deal with this imbalance and a more general imbalance in the black community? And if we resolve this imbalance does it necessarily mean that all black women will be able to partner with black men?

I feel like unless we can come up with an IMMEDIATE solution (and by that I mean like two days ago), then no one can begrudge black women for dating and marrying non-black men. I reject the position that a generation (if not more) of black women must not fulfill their hearts' desires while this gets fixed.

Some people would prefer to see black women unhappy than date non-black men. Really? I say shame on those people. I'm sure they have their reasons (i.e. black unity and racial solidarity), but to me they are not legitimate. I refuse to condemn black women and their children to lives of unhappiness because being without a man is not what they wanted.

Black girl with long hair said...

wow... see this is why i love this blog. you verbalized many things that i have felt.

my thoughts...

i do think that the media sucks balls when it comes to black people. i don't own a TV, and i'm very selective in the movies i watch. i'm just not interested i how we are portrayed. it's sad and depressing.

i agree with some of the commenters, though, that bi-racial women are bi-racial women. they're not black. they have been shaped by a whole second culture, and that can't be ignored. i think for a lot of time we've thrown them into the 'black' pot, and that's not fair to them. we can't be mad at them for interacting with a culture that is half of who they are. you know?

on the other hand, i agree that no one is really interested in portraying black people in a complex, heart warming or accurate way.

nobody.

nobody is trying to show the beauty of black women, or the tenderness of their relationships. i watched the trailer for the 'away we go' movie... and honestly, i could see traces of me and my boyfriend in the couple's interaction. but, on the real, two black people would NEVER be cast in that role.

are our relationships so different?

no, they're not. but all we're gonna get are tyler perry cliches, or an occasional oprah winfrey movie harkening back to our slavery and segregation struggle. we're not going to get the love stories or COUNTLESS black couples (that I KNOW) who are married, happy, quirky, complex, funny, etc, etc.

hollywood has tons of power, man.

and i also think that the number of black women who marry non-black is rising. i don't think the right question to ask is whether it's a good or bad thing.

the REALITY is that it is a NECESSARY thing if black women are to have husbands and families.

i don't believe in black women (just because they're black) waiting on black men to get their acts together. that bullshit is ridiculous.

also agree, too, that your post sounded a bit to me that black women 'deserve' to be paired with white men in movies... and i agree with the commenter that that kind of smacks of white men being saviors/prizes.

so untrue, lol!

i know a lot of black women in interracial relationships. a man is a man.

Sister Toldja said...

Lauren- Thank you for sharing your thoughts. If you are new to this blog, then you may have missed the many discussions/posts about misogyny in the Black community. I have been called anti-Black male more times than I care to count, simply because I have called the Black man to task for his many misdeeds against Black womanhood. Frankly, I don't care. However, I don't see a massive shift towards interracial dating as a solution either (though I somewhat begrudgingly recognize that it may be the best option for some sisters and brothers).

For those who asked what I would have rather seen than these roles played out the way they have: I'd rather cinema reflect the reality of Black life. Some of us are poor, some of us are paid. Some are college educated, some have GEDs. Some have loving healthy relationships with Black spouses, some go to their grave looking for that. Some have loving healthy realtionships with folks of other colors. Some are dark skinned, some are light. Some are mixed. Etc, etc. And for those who are mixed or Black with White friends/lovers...they did not emerge from thin air. They have a Black parent or two or siblings or even *gasp* friends who play some role in their lives.

So if most of the Black women in predominately White films are the ONLY Black person in the film, it's a little strange to me. And if casting biracial women opposite White men is a trend, I find that strange too. Dark skinned women date White guys as well. In fact, I see that more often than I do the biracial woman/White male paring.

I do fear the notion that Black women's only options are an "aint-shit" Black man, a non-Black man or singledom. I'd rather focus my energies on getting our male counterparts up to par and evaluating the reasons why we don't get along with the ones who are.

la said...

@Lauren

You bring up some very valid points. I don't have the time or resources to comment how I want right now but two things:

1. A 2:1 ratio isn't that bad, IMO. I think women outnumber men in general.

2. I personally don't care to see a black woman unhappy instead of with someone of a different race, but I think the media has A LOT to do with black women's view on the "lack" of black males. Really...I think interracial couples are still a very small percentage of the population and I'm willing to bet that of the B/W pairings, there are more BM/WW pairings than the opposite. I'll check into it. But this is another reason why the media is juming on the "trend." they want to make it seem more prevalent than it really is. Notice how stats about black people are almost ALWAYS negative. Not a coincidence.

BBL!

Naima said...

I'd rather focus my energies on getting our male counterparts up to par and evaluating the reasons why we don't get along with the ones who are.

A woman is not gonna get a grown man up to par, when are BW gonna realize that?

Lauren said...

Toldja - I have been reading your blog for over two years now. So I know full well that YOU know about the violence black men visit upon black women. Some of those post have been my favorites. I've also posted on here before. I was really more addressing La. I would never call you anti-black man haha ... I'd say you love them a lot because you tell the truth and demand more from them.

I applaud you for your efforts to focus on our male counter parts. I, however, agree with Naima. I have decided not to devote my energy to black males. I instead have decided to focus my energy on black women and girls. So many black women focus on black men that I won't be missed. However, I in some ways feel like that is the problem. Too many of us focus on them.

I think black women who continue to help black men need to re-evaluate some things and ask some critical questions: Do we have the necessary critical mass of black men who are equally dedicated and invested in solving gender and relationship issues in the black community? If not, where will the mass come from and who will be responsible for creating it? What resources and strategies have they developed? How do black women link themselves and our own resources with theirs? What are the conditions under which such would occur? And if such conditions are not met what should occur? How will the actual labor be carried out? Will there be a leadership structure? If so, who would occupy positions of power? How will this effectively be taken to other black people?

Toldja, I know you and others are familiar with the CRM and the BPM, which together form the Black Freedom Movement. I'm sure you can see that many of the questions I have asked are rooted in what happened during these movements and the aftermath in terms of gender, labor, and leadership. Basically, I would ask black women to really think about reciprocity in regards to the continued work they do. Many black women run into emotional and physical burn-out on behalf of black men. If they continue do devote their energies toward black men, I'd like to see that avoided.

Thanks for answering my question about what it is that you would have preferred to see re: grounding black/bi-racial women in films.

Lauren said...

@ La -

I guess a 2:1 ratio isn't bad lol ... Unless you are the half the black female population who can't date a black man because of it. However, I think its important to think of schools and cities where the ratio is more unbalanced (i.e. 6:1). I don't know about rural areas.

Also, I agree that the media exacerbates the idea of a "lack" of black men. However, in my personal experience this is not totally untrue.

You are correct in saying BM/WW pairings are more frequent, however, studies have shown that BW/WM pairings are on the rise. I was also reading the other day that out of all interracial marriages, those involving black women and white or latino men are amongst the strongest (meaning less likely to end in divorce).

I guess the question here regarding BW/WM relationships is: Is art (TV, movies, etc) imitating life, or is life imitating art? And either way, to which degree? Also, it could be both. Or maybe our perceptions of it are simply heightened either way.

Black girl with long hair said...

"I don't see a massive shift towards interracial dating as a solution either (though I somewhat begrudgingly recognize that it may be the best option for some sisters and brothers)."

That is a very very very very very interesting statement!! Could you please do a post on why you feel this way? I've had discussions with people about this before, but I feel that you might be able to articulate your reasons better than any others I've heard.

Nia said...

I really enjoyed this post and all the comments and I especially agree with what Lauren said wholeheartedly.
I think it does raise an interesting side question though. Why does "progress" or happiness for black women always have to seen as having a man (color regardless) by her side? There are black women who have chosen to remain single by choice, not because they "can't find a man." There are also black women who are homosexual. I think this heterosexist Hollywood construct of happiness erases certain black women completely out of sight and that is something that also needs to be addressed.

Karen said...

Interesting commentary.

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LeNoir Tyrannical said...

My thoughts? Pleaseeeeeee! Blk women need to stop with this "positive images of BLACK LOVE" bs. They are the ones who always seem so DOWN FOR THE CAUSE and end up pregnant/unmarried/and fending for themselves. But it's ALL good. you see your baby daddy some times and he is "in the kid's life".

Funny how quick you are to point out the color issue in these movies. If you ask me, Hollywood is gradually (yes gradually) excepting darker skinned women. At one point the only blk women in movies romantically with white men were the mixed curly haired Rae Don Chong (who i love) type. Now we are seeing ppl who are like actually black or black identified.

Kerry Washington- Lakeview Terrace, The Last King of Scotland

Naomi Harris- Street Kings, Pirates of the Caribean

Megan Good- The Love Guru

the list goes on...

AND.....When is the last time you saw a black music video, let alone movie cast a dark skin female who is not just in the background talking mess. I don't mean Tyler Perry films eaither, when it comes down to it, the so-called BLACK COOMUNITY (aka the black male chauvenist/apologist front) is still color struck as hell! Have you watched BET lately? Negroes are still doing the same GINA vs. PAM bull! I'm tired of it and I'm tired of black people's refusal to talk about it. Alwyas pointing fingers at the WHITE MAN. Hollywood is not a frienldy place for blacks and there have been many injustices, we know. but there are just as many with black men against black women for years ok? If you don't like Interracial relationships. . .DON'T GET ONE!